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Regnal and Royal Names
December 7, 2016
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shay said
IMO I think Charles, William and George will all use their first names when they become king.  With communications, media and the internet being what they are, it would be hard to have them suddenly known by another name.  

A good example is how Kate is still known as "Kate Middleton" several years into her marriage and becoming HRH The Duchess of Cambridge.  

Charles Philip Arthur George
Charles III
Philip
Arthur
George VII

William Arthur Philip Louis
William V
Arthur (or Arthur II, depending on his father)
Philip (or Philip II, depending on his father)
Louis

George Alexander Louis
George (VII or VIII, depending on his grandfather)
Alexander
Louis (or Louis II, depending on his father)

Charlotte Elizabeth Diana
Charlotte
Elizabeth III
Diana

Henry Charles Albert David
Henry IX
Charles IV (or III, depending on his father)
Albert
David

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December 7, 2016
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I agree with Shay.  I can't see any reason why Charles or anyone else on the list above would use a regnal name other than their own first name.  Prince Harry, if he ever became king, would be King Henry IX not King Henry IV.

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December 8, 2016
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Gidzmo,

I didn't ask their full names.  I made a statement about what I thought the next 3 kings of Britain would use as their names when reigning.  I prefer discussions and not just a list of facts that my teachers used to ask me to memorize in school.

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December 8, 2016
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I should have included this with my last post: A British monarch is under no obligation to use one of his/her given names as the regnal name.  It can be any name, even Ralph. Wink

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December 8, 2016
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shay said
I didn't ask their full names.  I made a statement about what I thought the next 3 kings of Britain would use as their names when reigning.  I prefer discussions and not just a list of facts that my teachers used to ask me to memorize in school.  

I didn't mean it to be a list of facts.  More like a list of possibilities, as in "how would it work if.....?"

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December 8, 2016
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Susan said
I agree with Shay.  I can't see any reason why Charles or anyone else on the list above would use a regnal name other than their own first name.  Prince Harry, if he ever became king, would be King Henry IX not King Henry IV.  

Thanks--note to me: never post something like that when sleepy.

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December 9, 2016
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Gidzmo said

I didn't mean it to be a list of facts.  More like a list of possibilities, as in "how would it work if.....?"  

Thank you for posting that list Gidzmo.  That does give insight into what names they would probably turn to, IF they didn't use their first names.  While, as Susan and I have both pointed out, they could use any name they want, it would be most likely they would use one of their given names.  

December 10, 2016
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It was simple serendipity that England was saved from Queen Mother Berengaria when she proved unable to bear a child (wife of Richard II) or Uracca (her sister whom Eleanor of Aquitaine rejected from about her granddaughters as she feared the English might have had a hard time pronouncing the name).  Edward I and Eleanor of Castile almost have his Alfonso I (who was named after his material grandfather) but the child died at ten.  Henry IV had in addition to the usual Henry, Thomas, and John, a Humphrey.  Edward III and Philip of Hainault had a Lionel.  Among the descendant of Margaret of Cumberland, who had ties to the throne through Edward VI's Devise for the Succession and Henry VIII's will was Ferdinando Stanley.

It is not regularly known that the last trsarina of Russia was actually crested Alix (not Alice although she was named for her mother).  Alice of Hesse disliked the "grating pronunciation" the Germans used for Alice.  I'm not sure I'm reproducing it correcting her but it was something like "Alijzia)  Correct me if I'm wrong.  Baby Alix was given two gold bracelets for her christening from her uncle and godfather Price Leopold.  She wore them all her life.  They had grown so tightly into her flesh that her Bolshevik executions could not removed them  They were still on her arms when her bones were removed from that burial pit--neither gunshots, nor sulphuric acid, not fire, nor men's greed managed to remove the symbols of Leopold's devotion to his baby niece.  In a way she was lucky,the bracelets she'd warn since a child were one of the ways she could be identified a hundred years later.

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Gidzmo said

shay said
IMO I think Charles, William and George will all use their first names when they become king.  With communications, media and the internet being what they are, it would be hard to have them suddenly known by another name.  

A good example is how Kate is still known as "Kate Middleton" several years into her marriage and becoming HRH The Duchess of Cambridge.  

Charles Philip Arthur George
Charles III
Philip
Arthur
George VII

William Arthur Philip Louis
William V
Arthur (or Arthur II, depending on his father)
Philip (or Philip II, depending on his father)
Louis

George Alexander Louis
George (VII or VIII, depending on his grandfather)
Alexander
Louis (or Louis II, depending on his father)

Charlotte Elizabeth Diana
Charlotte
Elizabeth III
Diana

Henry Charles Albert David
Henry IX
Charles IV (or III, depending on his father)
Albert
David  

When the current Queen came to the throne, the Scots were a little miffed at her being "Elizabeth II" as Scotland had never had an "Elizabeth I." The regnal numbers since the Act of Union had not yet been an issue as Scotland had never had a previous "George" or "Victoria", and William IV was "the IV" in both countries. A compromise was reached that the UK's sovereign's regnal number would be the highest one between England and Scotland.  That being the case, the potential numerals for Charles, William and Charlotte would remain unchanged from the list above.  If George chose Alexander he would be "Alexander IV" and if Harry chose David he would be "David III". If some horrific tragedy occurs, the current Viscount Severn could be "James VIII."

April 10, 2017
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Given their genetic history (except for smoking and war, royal family seemed immune to many of the usual ailments), so it will be a long time before we see a ruler with a regnal name or number we would find unfamiliar although Rosebud would be interesting.

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April 10, 2017
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Charles seems more of a traditionalist.  I think he'll go as Charles III.  

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--Griffith, Queen Katherine's servant (from Shakespeare's "Henry VIII")

September 25, 2017
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At this stage in his life and having been the Heir for so long I can't see Charles opting for anything other than his own first name. To suddenly becomes known as something else whould have to feel a bit odd, unless of course he has had a chosen name in mind down through the decades.

It was a different situation for his Grandfather. The throne was suddenly placed in front of him following the abdication of David. He probably chose the name George to keep some sort of continuance in the Royal Line of Succession following David's departure.

I'm expecting a King Charles, a King William and eventually another King George.

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September 25, 2017
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After what Charles I, and Charles II went thru it will be nice to have another Charles. With a better outcome from his time on the throne, and a positive legacy to the name.

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September 25, 2017
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The last King William was 180 years ago.  The uncle of Queen Victoria who vowed to live to see his niece reach 18, so that her mother would not become regent.  And he did by only a few months.

The last King George was 65 years ago.  A man who overcame a lot in his shyness and stuttering to rule the country in a time of war.  Prince George has a great-great grandfather he can look to for inspiration when he feels insecure, or needs reassurance he can overcome whatever happens in life.

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September 25, 2017
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The last King William was 180 years ago.  The uncle of Queen Victoria who vowed to live to see his niece reach 18, so that her mother would not become regent.  And he did by only a few months.

The last King George was 65 years ago.  A man who overcame a lot in his shyness and stuttering to rule the country in a time of war.  Prince George has a great-great grandfather he can look to for inspiration when he feels insecure, or needs reassurance he can overcome whatever happens in life.  

Edward VII also ruled under a different name.  He was christened Albert Edward (after both of his grandfathers), but ruled as Edward VII.

I only remembered this because I found "Edward the Seventh" on YouTube (all 13 parts).

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September 25, 2017
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Gidzmo said

Edward VII also ruled under a different name.  He was christened Albert Edward (after both of his grandfathers), but ruled as Edward VII.
I only remembered this because I found "Edward the Seventh" on YouTube (all 13 parts).  

That was a reaction to his mother's thinking that he would reign as King Albert I.  Edward VII's paternal grandfather was Ernst I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.  No Albert in his names: Ernst Anton Karl Ludwig.  Albert Edward, known as Bertie, was named after his father.

Queen Victoria's given names were Alexandrina Victoria.  She was called Drina as a child.

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Susan said

Gidzmo said

Edward VII also ruled under a different name.  He was christened Albert Edward (after both of his grandfathers), but ruled as Edward VII.
I only remembered this because I found "Edward the Seventh" on YouTube (all 13 parts).  

That was a reaction to his mother's thinking that he would reign as King Albert I.  Edward VII's paternal grandfather was Ernst I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.  No Albert in his names: Ernst Anton Karl Ludwig.  Albert Edward, known as Bertie, was named after his father.

Queen Victoria's given names were Alexandrina Victoria.  She was called Drina as a child.  

My mistake.  Albert for Bertie's father--would Edward have been for Victoria's father?  (that was how my thinking was supposed to work)

From what I've read, Victoria HATED her first name.  I don't think she used it after her accession announcement, if at all in adulthood.

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